9/23/93 5:53:24 PM Opening "Torie Conference" for recording WestHGuy : Husky...I don't think you're here for the NGLTF conference are you, Husky? :) GLCF Jeff : Hi everyone PKDawg : HI GLCF Jeff : Torie is on her way! HuskyJoe : Conf? FifthBsnss : Hello Jeff! :)X GLCF Kim : for all of you...... WestHGuy : OK Fifth! Naww...no babysitting...but I got to tickle him to death last weekend! :) PKDawg : Know when she'll be here? WestHGuy : Hiya Jeff! Kim! :) GLCF Kim : Meet Torie Osborn, acting head of the NGLTF tonite at 9:00 easterne GLCF Jeff : Torie is trying to sign on but is getting her software up dated GLCF Kim : in Lambda Lounge. Keyword: GLCF GLCF Kim : ooops... GLCF Kim : Hiya westie :) FifthBsnss : She's getting all that great artwork for the new sections online, eh? ;)X WestHGuy : I heard it took an HOUR to update from a fresh disk! ;) GLCF Jeff : Yopu're right Fifth ChrisB1111 : Is this where you find Torrie Osborn? SVELTE ABS : Hello. SVELTE ABS : Is this a forum? GLCF Kim : sure is chris GLCF Jeff : Yep., Torie is almost here!! GLCF Jeff : SHE's HERE ChrisB1111 : Not here yet? FifthBsnss : A fresh disk? These disks today don't respect their betters! GLCF Jeff : Hi Torie!! WestHGuy : LOL Fifth! :::::SWAT:::::: GLCF Kim : Tonite's guest is Torie Osborn, acting head of GLCF Kim : the NGLTF. Torie has resigned from the GLCF Kim : NGLTF effective the end of October. She's GLCF Kim : here to talk about the Task Force, her GLCF Kim : resignation, activism, the "movement" and GLCF Kim : her continued role. Sit back, relax and enjoy! PROG NGLTF : Hi All - Torie here! WestHGuy : Hiya Torie! FifthBsnss : Many greetings, Torie! :)X ChrisB1111 : Hello Torie. PKDawg : HI GLCF Kim : Hi Torie!! The Kat : Hiya Shadow ShadowKat : hi Torie GLCF Jeff : Glad you're with us Torie!! ShadowKat : hiya Kat RALEIGHPUP : Hi Torie WestHGuy : Do we get to ask questions at the end? :) GLCF Jeff : We have a room full - GLCF Jeff : so to protocal everyone, sorry!! GLCF Kim : Jeff, I'll explain protocol GLCF Kim : TONITE WE'LL BE USING PROTOCOL. FOR THOSE WHO ARE UNFAMILIAR, GLCF Kim : IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION TYPE A '?'; GLCF Kim : A COMMENT, TYPE A '!'. YOU WILL BE CALLED UPON IN ORDER GLCF Kim : SO HAVE YOUR QUESTION/COMMENT READY. THANKS! GLCF Jeff : I'll do a quick beginning with Torie and then there will be a que for questions GLCF Jeff : So Torie are you comfortable? GLCF Jeff : /ga PROG NGLTF : yes /ga GLCF Jeff : Great!! GLCF Jeff : There is already a room full!! GLCF Jeff : Question - When arte you leaving the Task force? GLCF Jeff : /ga PROG NGLTF : November 1, but I will be doing ongoing projects after that date with Peri Jude Radecic, the new E.D. PROG NGLTF : /ga GLCF Jeff : It was a surprise to most of us that you left GLCF Jeff : Can you explain why?/ga PROG NGLTF : ok, first, let me dispell some rumors.. PROG NGLTF : I don't have AIDS, I am not leaving the movement, I wasn't fired, there was not a staff uprising, you PROG NGLTF : name it its not true. Now..The truth is I came to GLCF Jeff : LOL - I like all those other reasons better than the truth! GLCF Jeff : ;) PROG NGLTF : Washington wanting to do big picture, movement building, help frame the issues, and found myself PROG NGLTF : bogged down in millions of internal management tasks like being a victim of our own success PROG NGLTF : because the Task Force had doubled its membership and staff, and tripled its budget. The job was PROG NGLTF : simply not what I wanted to do. Remember, the world changed entirely in the last year. I was hired in PROG NGLTF : Sept. 1992. /ga GLCF Jeff : What will you be doing next?/ga ChrisB1111 : ! PROG NGLTF : I am going to write a book. I what to start a Think Tank. And, other collaborative projects with NGLTF PROG NGLTF : and other groups. I want to speak and organize around the country and try to help radically help STRAWPUPY : hello ladies, it's me klkmurff PROG NGLTF : retool our movement to meet the incredible challenges of the times. /ga GLCF Jeff : Sounds very cerebral!! GLCF Jeff : As a fellow LA person, I have to ask - are you going to stay inDC?/ga PROG NGLTF : I am staying in DC for a year or two. Partly to give the East Coast a chance for a short while PROG NGLTF : and partly because I have fallen in love with a DC PROG NGLTF : lesbian who I cannot seem to get to move to California for a while. /ga GLCF Jeff : Good reason to stay!! How's Bill?/ga PROG NGLTF : Bill who? GLCF Jeff : Thought you were an FOB??;)/ga GLCF Jeff : TYhe Prez!! PROG NGLTF : :( - I saw HIllary today at the a health care rally at the White House. PROG NGLTF : We clearly voted for the wrong Clinton. PROG NGLTF : /ga GLCF Jeff : LOL!! GLCF Jeff : Kim - do you want to do the que now? GLCF Jeff : /ga GLCF Jeff : I think Chris had a comment ChrisB1111 : Happy to get to meet you and to have the chance to say that you came across on TV as an excellent ChrisB1111 : SPOKESPERSON. GLCF Kim : sure Jeff, however, I've been so caught up in elcomes I'm not sure who has comments or GLCF Kim : questions... so.. if you all could ask again...... GLCF Jeff : SO far its only Chris - use /ga when you're done Chris/ga ChrisB1111 : /GA GLCF Jeff : Want to resond to Chris Torie?/ga GLCF Jeff : respond ChrisB1111 : I am refering to the MOW. /ga PROG NGLTF : ok PROG NGLTF : The MOW was a major turning point for our community WestHGuy : ? PROG NGLTF : and I loved being part of it. We got our message accross to millions of Americans as we never have PROG NGLTF : before. I don't think its any coincidence that the percentage of Americans who say they know who is PROG NGLTF : gay increased by close to 15% between Feb. & June, 1993. The MOW was a giant coming out party. Hundred PROG NGLTF : s of thousands of gay men and lesbians came out of the closet for the first time to come to the March PROG NGLTF : and the media was so positive that it inspired tons Darwinius : Atlanta had a great gay pride march. PROG NGLTF : more to come out at home. We moved out of the gay ghettos and into the small towns and medium sized PROG NGLTF : cities in America for the first time in our history. PROG NGLTF : its the beginning of a new era. And television coverage was excellent - It was an honor and a pleasure PROG NGLTF : /ga GLCF Jeff : Are you done with that one Torie?/ga GLCF Jeff : Westie is next! PROG NGLTF : yes /ga ChrisB1111 : ? GLCF Jeff : /ga WestHGuy : Torie, you said earlier that you weren't able to accomplish what you had set out to do...what do you WestHGuy : see as the most pressing "Big Picture" issues facing the NGLTF and the Gay Community today, and what WestHGuy : would you have liked to have done about them? /ga GLCF Jeff : In fifty words or less Torie ---;) PROG NGLTF : First of all, I AM NOT GOING AWAY! I am consciously WestHGuy : LOL! PROG NGLTF : "deinstitutionalizing" myself - I think we are the PROG NGLTF : social revolution of the era but we do not have a PROG NGLTF : proactive political game plan to match. We have been for 20 years politically reactive and we simply PROG NGLTF : dont yet have political power. That is the bitter lesson of the military ban defeat. So what I want PROG NGLTF : to do is work accross organization lines to build a WYwolf : Evening, all PROG NGLTF : political strategy and that "gay agenda" we are supposed to have, so we can have the Federal Civil RAGSTER : Hi all PROG NGLTF : Rights Bill passed by the end of Bills second term or HIllary's first, as well as DEFEATING the right PROG NGLTF : wing. /ga WestHGuy : Follow-up? GLCF Jeff : Just to reminfd the room GLCF Jeff : anyoine who has a question or comment type ? or ! and we'll call on you' SVELTE ABS : ? ShyNGentle : ? GLCF Jeff : go ahead to follow up West WestHGuy : Thanks.. :) ChrisB1111 : Hey, I was next! WestHGuy : Other than becoming a member of the NGLTF and following the developments there, how would you WestHGuy : err...what would you suggest that folks do to get their input into the "Gay Agenda"? WestHGuy : /ga GLCF Jeff : West is doing a follow up - he thinks hes in the White house press room!!! ;) WestHGuy : :PPppPPpPPPP~~ Jeff! ;) GLCF Jeff : Go ahead Torie/ga PROG NGLTF : I think there should be town hall meetings - on computer all over the country for the next six months RAGSTER : What is the agenda on? FifthBsnss : This isn't the White House Press Room? Then I am wearing a red dress for nothing! PROG NGLTF : to a year. People should salons, community town hall meetings, debates in the press - GET INVOLVED PROG NGLTF : and most of all come out, come out to everybody you know. You each influence two to three hundred peop Miz Liz : ? PROG NGLTF : le every year. There is no excuse for anybody to be in the closet. COME OUT! /ga RAGSTER : sounds easy but some places aren"t GLCF Kim : Jeff, Chris was nextie in the q GLCF Kim : Chris? Text Tool : there ARE excuses, valid ones at that. ChrisB1111 : Follow-up! Torie, how can a person get in on some of the big picture stuff you will be working on? GLCF Jeff : Gris, your question? PROG NGLTF : Well how about if as soon as I can afford my own computer with a modem, I will log on regularly and we RAGSTER : especially at work;;text tool PROG NGLTF : will set up a regular dialog about that agenda. Other than that. Join NGLTF - And get involved. NGLTF PROG NGLTF : will on line on a regular basis and this is a perfect forum. 'ga GLCF Kim : SVELTE, you've got a question? RAGSTER : how does one get into ngltf? SVELTE ABS : Torie, what is the general public's attitude towards us now - ignoring the crys of those at the at the SVELTE ABS : extremes. SVELTE ABS : ga PROG NGLTF : Sixty percent of Americans don't want us discriminated against. GLCF Kim : Rags, please observe protocol... thanks :) PROG NGLTF : But at the same time, Sixty percent think we are immoral. PROG NGLTF : 75% oppose gay marriage and gay and lesbias being parents. We have a long way to go to change PROG NGLTF : public attitudes. The bottom line is most Americans PROG NGLTF : don't want to admit they want anybody to be discriminated against. But they still want us RAGSTER : NY PROG NGLTF : to go away. This is why coming out is so critical. Of those people who know somebody who is gay: 75% PROG NGLTF : of them oppose discrimination against us. Of those PROG NGLTF : who don't know someone, 75% favor discrimination. Coming out is the key to changing public attitudes. PROG NGLTF : 'ga ShyNGentle : What's happening with the conference in Durham, NC? Is it only for "activists"? I'm a local./GA SVELTE ABS : ! GLCF Kim : ShyNGentle, your on next GLCF Kim : er.. you're PROG NGLTF : Creating Change is November ll to 14 in kDurham; contact NGLTF 202332-6483 for info. Adrienne PROG NGLTF : Rich just agreed to come! /ga ShyNGentle : Thanks. Nite. SVELTE ABS : Thanks Torie for that excellent perspective!!!!! GLCF Kim : Miz Liz, you're up..... PROG NGLTF : Creating Change is actually another way to have input -- it's NOT just for activists, but it's pretty PROG NGLTF : educational for everyone -- come y'll! PROG NGLTF : /ga Miz Liz : What is happening in Colorado. US West has selected the denver area to centralize into Text Tool : ? Miz Liz : yet the company porports a non discrimation policy for gays. GA PROG NGLTF : The boycott is still on, but there are a number of people getting ready to maybe call it off when we w PROG NGLTF : win in court in mid-October....It's been a great success but can't go on forever - it's demoralalizing PROG NGLTF : for Colorado activists to not have folks coming into the state -- I'm going to a rally in Colorado Spr RAGSTER : gotta go PROG NGLTF : ings, belly of the right wing beast, Oct. 3 -- there are plans for lots of organizing after the court PROG NGLTF : date, mid Oct. Threats of a boycott have helped galvanize political support in Michigan, Utah, Ohio a PROG NGLTF : and other places, so it was a great tool - just not a great one forever and ever.../ga GLCF Kim : Svelte, you had a comment? Miz Liz : ! GLCF Jeff : He already said it - Text tools is next! GLCF Kim : Text is gone.... Liz, you're up Miz Liz : I am going to work internally with our company group EAGLE to point out to the ChrisB1111 : ! Miz Liz : corporate people we should also boycott until settled Miz Liz : ga PROG NGLTF : Amendment 2 in colordo is expected to be ruled unconstitutional -- we almost have a surefire victtor LeslieDyke : geez, I walk in, and people start leaving...making me paranoid WYwolf : ? PROG NGLTF : in the courts coming up -- but I think it's best to support the boycott until the Colorado activiists PROG NGLTF : officially call it off -- I'm just saying that might be soonl! /ga GLCF Kim : Chris, you have a comment? ChrisB1111 : I am seriously fired up. As in I was seriously fired from a tenure-track prof job in the Deep South LAMBDA RPh : G'day guys ChrisB1111 : last year for having short hair and wearing pants too often. ChrisB1111 : no proof. so pissed. didn't sue, but started and student group on campus, which was approved, PROG NGLTF : sounds like that school needs an anti-discrimination policy -- good work: don't get ChrisB1111 : then the march came on TV, and I can't tell you how much I wanted to be there. THis year, ChrisB1111 : I want to get busy!!! /ga PROG NGLTF : mad, organize Sorry I'm still learninng protocal.lga GLCF Kim : WYwolf, you had a question/comment? WYwolf : What do we do in Wyoming? We're the least populated state in the union, yet we have alot of PROG NGLTF : That's : Don't just get mad; organize! Mother Jones, famous labor organizer said that....ga WYwolf : discrimination going on here. People getting fired, insurance companies from here not going to Park WYwolf : City because there's a gay convention of sorts going on, and we are not organized at all.. WYwolf : We only counted 22 at the March. /GA PROG NGLTF : Talk to folks in Montana and other rural states -- at Creating Change, there is a special organizing PROG NGLTF : meeting for folks doing rural organizing, come there in November and call the NGLTF 202 332-6483 -- We PROG NGLTF : have done lots of work helping people in small and/or rural states. Call Peri Jude Radicic! ga GLCF Jeff : Again, to remind the room, we are on protocal, if you have a question or coment type ? ort ! WYwolf : ! GLCF Jeff : ? or ! GLCF Jeff : Torie GLCF Jeff : are you going to be at Creating Change? PROG NGLTF : YES -- I've been to every one -- wouldn't miss itga GLCF Jeff : /ga GLCF Jeff : We've been on an hpour GLCF Jeff : are you willing to stay another 15 or 20 minutes? GLCF Jeff : /ga PROG NGLTF : I'm techno-retro and David Smith my Tech-genius needs to go, so I can't but I'd love to do this again. PROG NGLTF : /ga GLCF Kim : <--punted again :( GLCF Jeff : We'd love it too - WY Wolf had a last comment GLCF Kim : Jeff, before I left the q was empty LAMBDA RPh : ! GLCF Jeff : Yes, and Torie needs to go, by first WY has a comment GLCF Jeff : THen Lambda, then thats it!/ga WYwolf : I'm sorry, but my friends and I cannot possibly make the conference due to lack of funds, etc WYwolf : I hope we can organize something. Any suggestions? GLCF Jeff : /ga WY? PROG NGLTF : Start saving for next year, l994. Meanwhile, call NGLTF. 202- 332-6483. /ga WYwolf : Yes, sorry GLCF Kim : Lambda? you had a comment? ChrisB1111 : ! LAMBDA RPh : well just wanted to ask if this chat will be logged for downloading later on GLCF Jeff : Sorry Chris, we have to stop ChrisB1111 : I've got to go. Torie, thanks for being on here. This is neat, and you'll be hearing from me. /ga LAMBDA RPh : it seemed really interesting from what I saw, and would like to read the rest of it GLCF Jeff : Yes - I've logged it and it will be in the library in a few days GLCF Kim : Lambda, the chat will be uploaded in just a few days LAMBDA RPh : Thanks Jeff PROG NGLTF : ! GLCF Jeff : Torie - Could you come back in October? PROG NGLTF : Yes. Let me end by saying this is the most exciting time ever for this movement, despite the PROG NGLTF : fact AIDS is still here, and we lost on the military. This is a volative, creative, dynamic PROG NGLTF : time for our community. I look forwarad to more chats on here -- Jeff, you and I will set something u PROG NGLTF : up for Octrober....Bye, all. Love, Torie PROG NGLTF : ga/ga GLCF Kim : Bye Torie, thanks for your time! FifthBsnss : Thanks, Torie! :)X WestHGuy : Thanks for coming, Torie!! :) ChrisB1111 : ******************************** GLCF Jeff : THanks for coming Torie - every one watch the announcements for the next one!! Miz Liz : {{{Nite Torie}}}}} GLCF Jeff : What Chris is doing is clapping Torie! GLCF Kim : I'd also like to thank Jeff for his great job in holding this together :::clap, clap, clap:: GLCF Jeff : No, kissing opps GLCF Jeff : Thank you for helping Kim! GLCF Kim : Also, thanks to the rest of you for coming and keep your eyes peeled for future guests here GLCF Kim : in the GLCF GLCF Jeff : Night alll!!!!!! ** WYwolf : G'night FifthBsnss : Thanks Kim and Jeff! :)X LAMBDA RPh : thanks for the conference LAMBDA RPh : anyone else about to watch Nightline and Clinton's Healthcare proposal? WestHGuy : Lammie?? Nightline isn't on for another 4 1/2 hours! ::ducking:: GLCF Kim : Lambda, I'm going to put it on...not sure how much I can watch tho WYwolf : Not 'til later here LAMBDA RPh : well move to NYC West, the Town meeting is on now, not the regular nightline WestHGuy : :) :) :) 9/23/93 7:23:47 PM Closing Log file.