After reading about AIDS for the last month, I figured after hearing the
following on the radio today, I'll transcribe what I heard. It was something
I never heard in the mainstream media. 

Please pick it apart. Warning, reading this will make you think. If 1/16th
of this is true, we've been lied to.

This is a transcript of the Mark Scott broadcast on WXYT, News Talk radio
AM-1270 in Southfield, Michigan, on 17-Feb-92 11:08 AM.

Mark:   WXYT newstalk time 11:08. Much read and said about AIDS and we've
been in this controversy now for a great deal of time. If you've seen 
television with us this last weekend, again the effort to make ah, Magic
Johnson ah, some sort hero out of all of this. Now pickup up the front
page of the Oakland Press this morning we see that many blacks see 
AIDS/Drugs as a part of a white conspiracy. More on AIDS, and this is 
something that isn't going to go away, now I've talked to people over 
the country who tell me we don't get the full story on all of this, 
some say we don't get the correct story on all of this. Ah, I thought
we might get a better handle and understanding on it as a result of
what was published in the publication of the Objectivist Club of 
Michigan - Full Context, Karen Reestrum talked to a Doctor Peter 
Duseburg(spelling), Dr. Duseburg has earned his P.H.D. in Chemestry 
at the University of Frankfurt, Germany. And as many of you folks 
know, we tried to get ahold of him last week, he is a professor of 
molecular and cell bioligy at the University of California, Berkley.
Ah, and he identified the first cancer gene through his work on
retroviruses in 1970, virtually mapped the genetic the structure of 
these viruses, and he is heavily credentialed, was elected to the
National Academy of Sciences in 1986 as a result of his discovery of
the influenza virus readily changed by recombination because they
contain multiple chromosomes.  He is also the recipient of a seven year
outstanding investigative grant on the bases of his experience with
retroviruses. Dr. Duseburg has challenged the virus AIDS hypothsis, and
he has done so in the pages of such journals as Cancer Research,
Preceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, Science, Nature, and
Research in Immunology, and we thought we'd give you a better insight
and understanding in this, since many folks - I mean we're all being
had I think, personally thats what I think. Dr. Duseburg thank you for
joining us.  

Peter:  It's a pleasure, good morning!

Mark:   Ah, thank you again, and I am glad we were able to track you
down. Ah, you say HIV by itself causes no disease whatsoever in most
infections, in a few cases there is evidence, but not very strong
evidence that the primary initial infection may cause a flu like
symptom, a mononucleosis like symptom. Where do we being in this?
Where do we start? Where do we the layman start to understand what this
is about, whats going on, and how we're being had.

Peter:  Well, if I had to answer that question I would say, look at 
who is getting AIDS, is AIDS in fact an infectious disease? Does it
behave or does it act like like in infectious disease? In my opinion,
the answer is clearly no. See, ever since AIDS is know in this country,
it has been restricted to very specific risk groups. Behaviour or a few
clinical risk groups I mean. Take ah, 1/3 of all AIDS patients in this
country are intravenous drug users. And it hasn't changed ever since we
have known AIDS. It is still intravenous drug users and 2/3 are male
homosexuals. And it is not your average male homosexual who is getting 
AIDS, it is the male homosexual who copulates in what we call risk
behavious, who have hundreds or sometimes even thousand of sexual
contacts per year. And that in turn is a expression of using alot of
chemical aphrodisiacs, drugs to promote sex. It is not natually
promoted by testostrone, as it is in the case which sex is not helped by
drugs, but it is in this case a drug mediated sex which we are looking
at and drugs are toxic, particularly those that are used for these
activities, they are called depopulious(mumbled), cocaine, or
qualudes(sp), or angle dust, PCP, crack and ice, or a combination of 
these drugs. Those are, those are specific indications that only these
people are ever getting AIDS, and hemophiliacs, and a few babies of
drug addicted mothers, and those are indications that AIDS is very
likely not an infectious disease at all but is a disease of drug
consumption, very much like lung cancer is the fault of smoking, and
emphysema is the fault of smoking, and liver sclerosis or liver cancer
even, can be the fault of long term drinking, or tennis elbow is the
fault of long term tennis playing, so is phenomena, deminisia, and
coposes sicoma(sp) the result of recreational drug consumption either
injected, inhaled, or oraly consumed..


Mark:   And not retrovirus HIV,

Peter:  Right.

Mark:   which has been blamed for causing AIDS.

Peter:  Thats very right, if it was a sexually transmitted virus as
they all would say, whats going on, this country have 100 million
sexually active people at least, why don't they get AIDS, where are the
hetrosexuals? This is always this alarm that hetrosexual AIDS is going to
explode into the hetrosexual population. And dispite all these alarms,
and dispite billions of dollars in so called AIDS prevention, via safe
sex and so, AIDS is not slowing down and AIDS is not spreading into the
hetrosexuals. But why don't the female prostitutes who make a career
out of promiscuity get AIDS? And why don't the teenagers who are
promiscuous and not married and sexually very active don't get AIDS?

Mark:   But they are telling us they are getting AIDS. 

Peter:  Well, they are telling us, but the facts are that the Center
for Disease is publishing them, that they don't. 90% of the AIDS cases
in this country are men, and sex is not a preoctive of men, women have
sex too. And as I pointed out, these 90%, some of those 90% are
intravenous drug users - and thats where essentiality all the women with
AIDS come from, they are mostly all intravenous drug users - and
another 60% are homosexualy who are using alot of aphrodisiacs in part
because that is, ah, felicities ah, anal intercourse. Anal intercourse
is often not easy to practice physiologically and physologically(sp)
and it is ficulated by using drugs that relax the smooth muscles and
also make it physoligically easier to overcome whatever social and
physiological barriers there are with sex anyways, especially
homosexual sex, and thats why they use so many chemicals and thats
where AIDS is and have stayed eversince. It has not been an disease of
promiscuous and non-promiscuous hetrosexuals ever.

Mark:   Well is it because those chemicals or those drugs lower immune
system?

Peter:  system... Yeah, well, that is one of the functions that they
have, but you see, even the simplification that AIDS is always the
result of a lowered immune system is wrong. The CDC reports that 63%
only, I point out only, of the eight diseases observed in this country have
something to do with a lowered immune system. That is to say that they
are opportunistic infections. Another 37%, a full 37%, and thats not so
little, are diseases that have nothing to do with a lowered immune
system, such as coposes sicoma(sp), deminisia, phenomena, or the so
called weight-loss or wasting disease. Those diseases are not the
consequense of a immune difficiency. You can get cancer with a perfectly
normal immune system. And this is what these people have, so, ah, eh,
coposes sicoma(sp) is a form of a cancer see, those the the direct
consequences of drug consumption. And some of the phenomena even and
wasting syndrome are typical, ah, typical consequences of long term
drug consumption. You inject drugs that are toxic and this is hardly
studied how they ever work and they give you these diseases, without
going through any immune deficiency.

Mark:   Doctor Duseburg, what your saying is new, ah, is it? I mean,
ah, I think you pointed one point that in the early 80's, ah, there
were people in the CDC who argued that aphrodisiac drugs like
analnitrates or popus were causing AIDS.

Peter:  You are absolutly right, I am surprised you know that actually,
very few people would acknowledge that or even know that is totally
true.

Mark:   Well, well, ah, you gotta understand I am bestowed by mystic
powers from high above and I have a direct pipeline into the cosmos.

Peter:  Devine powers, I wish I had such pipeline. Yah, hahahha, I hope
you can help me with those pipelines...

Mark:   Haha, look, I'm only, ah, Tounge in cheek, we do have talk
hosts who pretend that they are making fun about that when indeed they
are serious as hell... Go ahead...

Peter:  No, I mean the CDC even suggested that, until the discovery of
that famous <unaudible> became that national dogma in 1984, when Gallo
and Margret Hicklah at that time the secertary of Health and Public
Services announced that the cause of AIDS had been found at a press
confrence based on a paper that has been found in the meantime
to be fraudlent on several counts, a paper from my old friend Robert
Gallo. That was the only basis at that time and that paper hadn't even
been published yet. So it ah, this changed everything, now of course
the Government gave AIDS research a direction, unfortunatly the wrong
one, and everyone had the research the virus, including the Centers for
Disease Control and they had to forget about other ideas because if
they had other ideas, there were contrary to Government instructions
and they weren't going to be funded.

Mark:   Gallo, ah, Gallo is responciable for , ah ah, he's responciable
for being able to measure the antibody against the virus, the AIDS
virus.

Peter:  Well, yeah, he has developed that they say so-called AIDS test, 
he's responciable for that in part at least, in part, as well know now,
the French Montenque(spelling) had allready developed an AIDS test that
was infact even better than Gallos test, Gallo has only copied AIDS.

Mark:   Let me ask you how much politics is going on here?

Peter:  Alot. Infact only in my opinion because there is no science
unfortunatly, no useful science, it's all worthless the science, it has
yet to save one single life, that whole virus AIDS hypothesis has never
saved one life, not come up with one vaccine, has not even approximatly
predicted the spread of AIDS, it has always failed to perdict it
because the virus hypothesis makes a clear prediction that it would
spread into the hetrosexual population and it doesn't. So it has been
totally useless, infact you can say its worse than that because it has
been and if the only basis for this drug AZT, which is said to be
treatment of AIDS or the AIDS theopory of HIV. That drug is increadibly
toxic, it has, is currently given to over 100,000 people everyday, and
these people will die from AZT within a year, like Kinberly
Bergalus(sp) who, this woman who persumiably was infected by her
dentist, ah, in Forida who just died two months ago from AZT theopary.

Mark:   So your saying AZT is a killer?!?

Peter:  Absolutly killer, absolutly. There isn't even any doubt about
it. AZT is what is called an inhibitor of DNA synthisis, or acutally a
chain terminator of DNA synthisis - the substance that terminates DMA
as soon as it is incorporated. It was designed for that purpose, if DNA
is terminated the cell is dead. 

Mark:   Well, ah, then, is it safe to say AZT is helping to enhance the
cause of AIDS?

Peter:  AZT is AIDS by perscription. Thats what it is.

Mark:   Well, that ah..

Peter:  AZT is the most direct and the most efficient AIDS cause I
could possiably identify.

Mark:   Well, I can remember watching these guys standing on television
with these big signs, calling for AZT, they wanted AZT treatment.

Peter:  Unfortunatly, well, that is the power of education. Remember
there were people going to Johnstown and calling for cynaide. If you
educate people right, they will do what you want them to do.

Mark:   Ah, 

Peter:  Remember 80 million million Germans, and I am one of them so,
well, I am no longer German but I came from Germany. Aumm, what did,
nobody better but Adolf Hitler, and I don't think he was all that good
for them.

Mark:   Yeah, that is true.

Peter:  Education can do a whole lot. If it is well done, you can
educate people to do anything you want them to do.

Mark:   It seems as though ah, it seems as though they, ah, the
direction we're going in when it comes to the battle against AIDS, flys
in the face of scientific knowledge. Ah, that people know what they are
doing doesn't amount to a tinkers damn in in, ah, eliminate the
problems of AIDS, the problem lies in risk behaviour, ah, or as you put
it, that they are not addressing that, that they are addressing
something else, is there money to be made here or something?

Peter:  Oh yeah...(deep voice) Money and plenty of money, see there is
three billion dollars spent by the Government, and there are thousands
and thousands of recipients who get that money essentialy only if they
subscribe to the virus/AIDS hypothesis. They hold careers, they are not
really scientists in the traditional sence. A scientist is supposed to
be free of witch there is no question independant from preexisting
views or dogmas or judgement, that is the ideal scientist. They are
basically contracted by the government, they accept the government
contract to study HIV as the cause of AIDS, they don't ask the question
does that even make sence. It's, ah, thats OK if you know the answer.
Say if you want to send a man to the Moon, and you say, you can
calculate it takes so many dollars and so much equipment, and its
possiable, theoratically possiable or practically possiable, all you
need is the manpower and the time and the money to put it together.
Then it makes sence for the government to say, Ok, here's the money,
you get this contract, you get this contract. You build this first
stage, and you build the second and I am building the third stage of
the rocket, but if you don't know where the moon is, that is to say, if
you don't know what causes AIDS, 3 billion dollars can be
counter-productive, if it is invested in the wrong cause, and this is
exactly what we are seeing here with the AIDS compound.

Mark:   The proposal that a virus is the cause of AIDS, I mean, that
has been something that has been popular for a long period of time. How
does the scientists, the researchers come to that notion? And don't
answer that just yet, I'll have you answer that in a moment. I'm Mark
Scott, Talk Radio 1270, WXYT.

[Commerical break]

Mark:   WXYT NewsTalk Time 11:27. A startling eye opener, when it comes
to AIDS. And ah, and that we have been mislead. Dr. Peter Duseburg, who
is professior of molecular and cell bioligy at the University of
California, Berkley. Ah, identified the first cancer gene through his
work on retroviruses in 1970, he maped the genetic structure of these
viruses, a man who is in the know on all of this, and who I understand
is recieving considerable flack for what you say Dr. Duseburg. What has
this done to your research.

Peter:  I have recieved alot of rejection and disapproval, and most
importantly my research canned, this one you earlier mentioned, the
outstanding investigative grant is not being renued. it is ah, in
another words, terminated at the end of this year.

Mark:   Whats the reason, whats the reason they give you for that?

Peter:  Well, they put 10 reviewers, so-called peers, who would judge
my hand, and they said I wasn't as innovative as I used to be, I spend
too much time on non-scientific issues and my priority had fallen way
down and I won't be able to be funded again. Now if you look at who the
reviewers were, you get an idea of whats going on.  One of the
reviewers was a professor from Durhan, North Carolina, his name was
Danny Bellonizie, he developed AZT for Bouroughs-Wellcome.

Mark:   <Laughing> Oh Geezzzeeee...

Peter:  He is a man who is probably a multi-millionaire as a result of
studying and developing AZT and selling it to all those people who are
having HIV, and as we allready discussed, AZT is highly toxic, probably
the, I wouldn't can probably, CERTAINLY the most toxic drug that was
ever approved in this country for indefinate treatement or theorpy.
Another one of those reviewers happened to be Dr. Fluffy Wongstil, she
is a close collabator of Dr. Gallo and the mother of one of his
children. Now I don't have anything against motherhood, I really want
to point that out, but she should not have been the reviewer of my
grant when I pointed out that HIV may not be the cause of AIDS.
Oviously she will side with Dr. Gallo and his kid, rather than with
speedy dispect(muffled, I hope I got that right!) .

Mark:   What is HIV? What kind of a virus is it and what does it do to
a cell?

Peter:  HIV is just another retrovirus. We have learned about hundreds
of them in the last 20-30 years. These viruses are as far as we can 
tell now the most harmless viruses that exists. Their hallmark is not
to kill an infected cell. They go into the cell, they become, if you
so want, a genetic paracite of the cell. They intigrate their genom(sp)
into the huge chromosome of the cell. And they just hang in there then,
with the cell as long as the host is alive and the cell is alive, they
do not kill the cell. They escentionally make their living being a
paracite, one more gene in an infected cell. And that process is so
benine that the cell doesn't die from it. In fact, it woudln't make
sence for them to kill the cell because if it had managed to get the
little genome and the cell would die, the whole effort would have been
waisted.

Mark:   Well, many AIDS patients carry this virus, don't they?

Pater:  Well, you see, the presence of HIV has become the definition of
AIDS. That is the only definition to hold all these very many different
diseases together. So if you have HIV in your cells, in your body, then
you are an AIDS patient. Then if you don't have HIV, then you could
have exactly the same disease, and in the same exact risk group, so we
have 1/2, exactly 1/2 of all intravenous drug users with phenomena,
and deminisia, and ah wasting syndrome, and mouth infections have no
HIV, and their diseases are just called their old names.

Mark:   And they are dying

Peter:  They're dying and nobody actually cares about them, but of
couse who cares about a junkie dying in the streets. But if that person
has HIV, then all of a sudden, they become an AIDS patient, the
scientific community pays attention, they can be published in journals,
they will be supported by AIDS groups, or by a private AIDS foundation
or by other private funds that get alot of attention, if they don;t
have HIV nobody cares about them.

Mark:   Remember the story that circulated that AIDS was the direct
result of some reces monkey out of Africa?

Peter:  Yeah, its another monkey out of Africa. Whenever we don't know
what it is, its always a monkey in Africa isn't it? The only problem
with that theory is that we don't know one monkey in Africa with
AIDS. The monkeys with AIDS are the ones in New York, and San
Franscisco, and Los Angles, and the monkey scientists who studing them
living best now in the University of California and work on viruses and
cookies, but the monkeys don't have AIDS. And look at this, if AIDS was
an infectious disease, we don't have a vaccine against it at all, how
come we can have 15 to 20 thousand unvaccinated scientists studying
HIV everyday in the labortory and not even one of them ever getting
AIDS from this deadly virus. Not even one.

Mark: Lets hold it right here. We'll continue in a moment.

[Another commerical break]

Mark:   WXYT NewsTalk Time 11:38. Dr. Peter Duseburg talking with us on
Mark Scott. Dr. Duseburg if what you say, I mean if if if 1/3 of what
you say is true, the people in this country ought to be ready to storm
the government. This is absolutly increadble!

Peter:  At least some of them should. We can probably save instantly
probably close to three billion dollars because all of that money that
is currently spent on HIV research is wasted, and more importantly we
could save 30,000 lifes or close to it, we can't save them all, but we
can save all of those who are dying of AZT, because we can make that
illegal as it should be, and we could save many of those through
education who are getting AIDS from drugs now. We couldn't save them
all because some people simply want to use drugs, but look what
happened with smoking, through education the incidents of smoking or
the consumption of tobacco has been reduced significantly and with it
the diseases, heart disease, lung disease, and so that are the result
of it. If we would educate the kids, especially the young ones, that
drugs, heavy drug consumption, long term drug consumption, is the cause
of AIDS it would be enormous.

Mark:   What your telling us is that easily a 4 hour broadcast, I only
have a couple more minutes left here, I want to get some phone calls
from the people who want to talk to you, what kind of responce are you
getting from around the country, I mean they ought to have you on every
talk show in the country, they ought to have you on all the network
news shows, CNN should be talking to you at 4 hours at a strech. 

Peter:  You see, they have, and then they don't show it. Thats what
they do. They come to the lab, they record it, they are very
interested, their primary reaction is like you, they say this makes
alot of sence, this would save alot of money, this should be heard, and
then they check with their supervisors who call the National Institute
of Health, is that ok that we air this segement, they say no way, this
is a national disaster, Duseburg is going to advise against AZT, our
only drug that is working against HIV, and see how well it is helping
it is making everyone sick and people are dying from it, and he is
challenging our safe sex program. Thats what they are going to say and
then Duseburg is finished, and they will never mention it again. This
has happened with Good Morning America, happened with CNN,
McNeal/Lear, or channel 9, and quite a few other stations. 

Mark:   And remember your hearing it right here on FritzWorld USA
folks, on Mark Scott. Joel from Novim your on 1270 WXYT:

Joel:   Yes, hi Mark

Mark:   Hi Joel.

Joel:   Ah, Doctor Duseburg I saw something on cable that kinda
frightened me and I wanted to get your opinion on it. It was a
scientist and he was discussing how the virus is mutating constantly
and his projection is that in one point and time it would be like a
cold virus and would be passed like a cold virus, and that kinda scared
us.

Peter:  Well, ah, you see, every virus mutates all the time, mutation
is nothing uncommon with viruses. But there is only a limit as to how much
these viruses can mutate. It is very much like how much you can change
a car. You can change the color, you can change the shape, but you can
not change the four wheels you need, the engine, the brakes, the
steering wheel, and all these essintials things. It is exactly the same
with viruses. If they would change those, it wouldn't run anymore. See
what I mean?

Joel:   But isn't it a danger of it becoming, ah, you know, the abality
to pass that kind of virus as a cold virus like that?

Peter:  You see, none whatsoever, this virus doesn't has not the capacity
to change as much as the cold virus which has mutiple chromosomes. You
heard earlier I worked on that earlier. You see, this virus only has
one chromosome, it can only change so-called non-esessional or valuable
regions. There will never be enough for the immune not to see, to
escape the immune system, it can't escape the immune system. Just like
you can't escape easily the police now with by not shaving for a week
and wearing a beard, there are so many ways of identifying you, with
fingerprints, with DNA, or with with with credit cards, they will find
you sooner or later. But that is actually easy, you can fool the police
much more easily than a virus can fool the immune system.

Mark: Thanks Joel, appricate the comments and the question. Dale from
his car phone your on 1270 WXYT.

Dale:   Great Show. It doesn't surprise me that Doctor Duseburg doesn't
get any more funding, he's not politically correct oviously. I'm
surprised his life isn't in danger with all the millionares that must
be getting upselt with him

Peter:  That's a good point your making there.

Dale:   I'm real surprised, but ah, with all the blue smoke and mirrors
we're getting from our government here, I think this recent article
that this is a conspricy for killing blacks. It's definatly out of
wack, it actually sounds like they are going after the IV Drug Users
and Homosexual crowd. 

Peter:  Thats what they are going after, yeah. Thats the one thing they
are getting.

Dale:   I'll tell you one thing, AZT doesn't sound like a real good thing
to me. Holy Smokes! I guess its one way to get rid of them I suppose.
HUH?

Peter:  It is a way they are getting rid of them, but they are also
getting rid of hemophiliacs that way, babies that way, its not an real
efficient program of extermination or getting rid of people.

Mark:   Dale thanks. Dan from Ann Arbor your on 1270 WXYT, and your
talking to our guest Doctor Peter Duseburg.

Dan:    Hi Mark, Hi Doctor. The question from me is that in Africa they
American press reports that there are large cases of AIDS cases in
villages and tribes.

Mark:   And Hetrosexuals.

Dan:    How does that fit in?

Peter:  In Africa, that virus, this harmless virus is rather indemic in
this country it is less. In Africa, 10% of the population or more is
infected by the virus and they carry it the rest of their life without
any symptoms at all. But if some of these people, we are not talking
about millions of people in central Africa, get any one of the 25
different diseases, remember AIDS isn't just one disease, its the
symptions of 25 different diseases, all old diseases, previously known
diseases. So if these Africans get phenomena, TB, or diarrhea, fever, or
malaria, and the doctor finds HIV. Guess what all of a sudden they
have? AIDS. And the total incidents by the end of last year was 40,000
thats all it was, in this country we had 250,000 at the end of '90, I
haven't seen the '91 numbers yet. And that is in a country where there
are millions and millions of HIV carriers. So what that is, is, just
reflective the normal incidents of African diseases under their new
name, thats all that is.

Dan:    So they back into the diagnosis by saying, here is a sick
person, ah, they have HIV, so they have AIDS?

Peter:  Thats exactly what it is. You have defined African AIDS, just
in one line. Thats just what it is.

Dan:    Where can we find more some reading on your work?

Mark:   I just told you about one of them, ah, but, he's got alot of
this published in the journals on cancer research, preceedings of the
National Academy of Sciences, Science, Nature, Research in Immunology. 

Peter:  The latest is perhaps if you are familure with the scientific
literature, an extensive article in the preceeding of the National
Academy of Sciences, Feburary 1991. But now I have been allmost
completely shut down with that too. I am a member with the Academy, and
I used to be able to publish there without difficulty, now they don't,
I have another paper comming trying to explain what we discussed here
on this show that talks about the cause of AIDS, and I have alot of
data on this I have tried to put together to form a counter hypothsis
and all, and they won't let me publish it anymore.

Mark:   I'll tell you who's been doing alot of research on this as
well, thats Karen Reestrum from Full Context, the publication of the 
Objectivist Club of Michigan. And she has alot of material she has
compiled, plus she did an interview with Doctor Duseburg. Ah, not too
long ago. It was published in the last edition of Full Context. I'll
give you the address of the newsletter. This is the newsletter of the
Objectivist Club of Michigan. 2317 Star Road D-1, Roal Oak, 48073, and
I, ah, send here a letter and tell her what your interested in and she
might have some other avenues to persue if she wishes, I'll gotta tell
you, Full Context, this publication by the Objectivist Club of Michigan
is without a doubt one of the finest small publications I've seen
anywhere. I've been getting it for a long time, and it's from the
Objectivist Club of Michigan. Karen Reestrum, ah, she's the editor,
she, she, puts this thing together, and certainly from an objectivist
point of view. And I thought her interview with Doctor Duseburg was
quite good. 

Dan:    I'd love to hear him comment on world events sometime.

Peter:  You could also call me at Berkley, University of California in
Berkley, the number is 510-642-6549, if you need additional
information, we can mail you somemore.

Mark:   You will get alot of calls. I'll tell you something, Bill Bonds
does a, he's a televison anchor here, he was talking about a case that
just hit our front page, the case is one of a very prominate young
lady, Mary Fisher, who's father is a very prominate man, he's a real
powerhouse in this area, his name is Max Fisher, she came down with
HIV, her husband came down with it, he was an IV drug user at one point
in his life, supposidly, and all this stuff. And to make it short,
Bonds is the only one that I saw out of the last couple of days that
really asked any the cogent, ah, or important, cogent but important,
and he really got to the heart of the issue, hell those people at
Channel 7 ought to get ahold of you and have you on tonight as a
newsmaker, Bonds ought to be interviewing you on tonights news.

Peter:  Can I ask you one more of those cogent questions, is that woman
on AZT now?

Mark:   I don't know.

Peter:  Thats the key question is if she gets AZT.

Mark:   I understand not, everybody is shaking their heads no, I don't
know why they are shaking their heads no..

Peter:  She would get it, if I were you I definatly would give her a
call then she would be dead roughly within a year.

Mark:   I have to tell you Doctor Duseburg, these people, they are the
movers and the shakers within the system. I am the last guy they would
listen to.

Peter:  Well, wait, if you know Bonds, the anchorman, give him a call
and find out if that woman is on AZT. If she gets AZT she will be dead
a year later.

Mark:   Yeah, thats ah...

Peter:  Without AZT there would be absolutly nothing

Mark:   Their people listen to our broadcast. 

Peter:  But I mean, you carry more weight than the listeners. You are
the master here.

Mark:   Well, one would think...Maybe Maybe so..

Peter:  If you care about that woman you could give him a call..

Mark:   Tresa in Detroit, be with you in a moment, I'm Mark Scott,
Talk Radio WXYT.

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Mark:   WXYT News Talk Time 11:52. We are talking with Doctor Peter 
Duseburg, who is at the University of California, Berkley, professior
of molecular and cell bioligy, we're talking to him about AIDS
startling information he has delivered here. Teresa from Detroit, your
on 1270 WXYT.

Teresa: Yeah, hi, I have a relative who has been HIV positive for eight
years, he has absolutly no symptoms of AIDS, he's never been a drug user 
or a drinker, he is homosexual. He said 10 months ago he began using
AZT in the lowest dosage because he couldn't find a doctor in the L.A.
area who would not perscribe it, and I was wondering if he is throwing
a monkey wrench into his system by taking it?

Peter:  Absolutly not! Absolutly not!!! AZT is nothing but cell poison,
it was developed to kill cells. It's a terminator, like Arnold
Swartzanaker, for DNA. DNA is the central molucle of life. If he's been
on a low dose, he should stop it immediatly, to minimize the damage.
Like all these things like smoking and drinking, the damage is
accumulative from druge. From one wild party you will never die. With
cocaine, herion, or anything you want to take it, even toxicans like
AZT, but if you take it indefinatly you must die, because life in based
on DNA, thats the central molcule of life, and AZT is blocking,
stopping, terminating the DNA. If he doesn't stop, he will die from it.
The HIV won't harm him, the CDC has doccuments now for eight years that
over 1 million Americans have HIV, and they have tracked that. Only
150,000 of those developed AIDS. If you look why, you find out a clue
of their past. Because those 150,000 were practicing risk behaviour.
They were either taking drugs, inhaling drugs, or hemophiliacs, or
children born to drug addicted mothers, or have other reason, but not
HIV. Its their least problem, AZT is the problem and thats what you
look out for..

Mark:   Thank you. Randy from Farmington Hills, your on Mark Scott on
1270 WXYT:

Randy:  Hello, I have a question for the Doctor.

Mark:   DO IT!!

Randy:  If it isn't the HIV virus itself causing the destruction of the
immune system, what is it?

Peter:  It is the chemicals.

Randy:  Allright, lets say in the case of someone who had a
transfusion, who has never been a abuser, who has come down with all
they symptoms, why is this happening?

Peter:  You see, people who recieve blood transfusions have serious
problems to begin with. Thats why they get the transfusions. In
America, at least 1/2 of all people who recieve transfusions die within
1 year of recieving that transfusion. Because the majority of people
who recieve transfusions have bypass operations, cancer, who had other
uclers or other serious things like that, the hemophiliacs actually
do better with them, but the average American other than a
hemophiliac is dead one year after that transfusion. Half of them, not
all of them, half of them.  

Randy:  Half of them, lets say that included people who were in an
automobile accident or even...

Peter:  Those are the exceptions. Lets say a 20 year old kid falls from
a motorcycle and needs a liter of blood, that guy, if nothing else
happens, and its just blood and other problems, he'll live to be 80
years old like nothing happened that day, but the majority of the
transfusions recepients are like that California Tax Reformer Paul
Gant. He recieved the transfusion 5 years before he died, then he died
from phenomena and a broken hip after a bypass operation at the age of
77, and they said he died of AIDS, It's a joke!

Mark:   Doctor Duseburg, we have to go, the clock on the wall says its
time to say goodbye. Can we talk again sometime?

Peter:  Anytime, you have my number.

Mark:   Yoy are terrific, I thank very much for your work, and you.

Peter:  Please call the TV host about this Fisher woman.

Mark:   We will...

Child:  Excelsior!

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